This interview with Unmani was done by Reinhold in June 2013 via the Internet in English.
Getting more into the detail with people; Unmani’s endless unraveling; sometimes terrible, sometimes blissful; the nature of life; ordinariness is the nature of life; searching as a nice hobby and addictive self obsession; it is much simpler than one can think; the recognition that tendencies do not belong to “me”; the body remembers certain ways of protecting oneself; not accepting them stabilizes the mechanisms; but because they are here, they are already accepted; the tendency to think that I should accept; the pretence of accepting everything; the risk of escaping by believing to be beyond everything; who you really are is always still and quiet; the believe of carrying a burden; being used by life as this expression; the unlimited can’t know itself; getting the joke of it; the exploration of how the body is buying into the story; the relaxation in not needing to fix any mechanisms; thoughts and mechanisms are not the boss but just tools in what you are; different motivations of different people who come to Unmani; the trap of trying to get rid of uncomfortable feelings; the deeper longing for truth; recognizing how unreliable thoughts are; exploring uncomfortable feelings by feeling them completely; no judgments about feelings in the retreats; healing through feeling; Unmani’s role is to reflect the emotions back; emotions and sensations never mean anything; even the story is just entertainment; no one in control or in charge; the lived experience of meaninglessness; more and more falling in love with the Unmani woman; no landing place anywhere; getting to the root of it all; there is no end of unraveling; the seeing that nothing what thought believes is real; the entertaining nature of thought; thought is only doing what it knows to do; playing with not following thoughts; emotions and sensations accompanying thoughts are believed to be proofs that the thoughts mean anything; addiction to the drama of emotion; to see that emotion does not mean anything can be seen as boring and dull; anything is felt but it does not mean anything; the nature of the belief in being a separate individual; how Unmani works with beliefs; the scariness of freedom; you cannot pretend to not have seen that it is a joke; it might or it might not mean that radical changes have to happen; effortless effort; people longing for truth; making friends with fear; fear of the fear; living courageously and risking being uncomfortable; being faced to the end of hope; ruthless compassion for brutal truth; nothing less than the truth will do; enquiries in what is true is beautiful in itself; no need to get to the other side of anything.
Unmani was interiewed by Reinhold via Internet in October 2011.
Who I am is the only thing of importance, the rest appears in it; nothing is not a boring, depressing thing; are you willing to die? The space beyond beliefs; a recognition but not an understanding; seeing beliefs and concepts for what they are; longer retreats to explore what is real; seeing the reality of concepts; feelings do not mean anything to who you are; recognizing that feelings, beliefs, traumas do not mean anything for “me”; it does not matter if traumas are there or not; freedom that includes everything; death playing being life; the skin is not the boundary of you; there are no other people, it is all in you.
Lots of laughing and playing during the retreats; exploring reality of beliefs and concepts; never-ending unravelling of what is true; uncomfortable experiences mean something about “me”; emotions and judgements are just happening; beliefs like “I should not be judging” are the troublemakers; freedom for any beliefs, thoughts judgements etc.; life itself seems to want to open; no restrictions, only beliefs in restrictions; continual loosing of every belief you have ever believed in; no need to have a limited identity; searching itself is the problem; endless creation is the nature of mind.
Minds wants to do something by its nature; who you are is noticing the role of the person and what it does; the structure of the retreats; travelling around in the world, no base at all, no set route; dying to everything you think you know for the love that you are; love implies that everything is included unconditionally.
This Satsang with Unmani took place at the 17. Rainbow Spirit Festival 2010 in Berlin.
Being fine, even when the body freaks out of fear; fear does not mean anything; meaning is only a thought interpretation; discomfort is okay as it does not reach who we really are; pointing to who we are; meetings are direct pointers to that; sorting out misconception of ideas about this; only thoughts imagine a better future overseeing what is already here; who you are is absolute presence already; investigating what is true beyond thought; rediscovering the reality that is; in not caring if there is any flow or not there is actually more flow; mind labels experiences and refers them to “me”; “me” is just another thought; no one here to care; the pain is in chasing happiness; pain of discomfort can come and go; only thought would care.
Physical sensations make the thoughts feel more real; just running old programs; the body learnt this behavior as a survival mechanism; no need to treat it; if there is nobody who cares if there is conditioning or not, there is loosening; body plays old programs; no point in trying to be authentic; everything that happens is absolute fake; seeing concepts and believes for what they are; laugh at all ideas about “me”; the feeling of “me”; the fear of going away; how to know right now if there is someone? Death right now; recognizing that there is no one here is the safest; who you are is the awareness and does not live a life; thought – by its nature – will always come up with a problem; who your are is noticing the thought about a problem; radically perfect including everything that thought labels imperfect; glimpses and experiences create more searching and thought “this is not good enough”; unconditional love does not exclude thought or mind; anything that appears is already loved unconditionally as it appears; life is playing a game pretending there is a problem; it does not mean anything; ordinary and disappointing for the mind.
All we can do is laugh about how complicated we make it; all we have is this sensation, this feeling; forget it and forget all concepts; freshly recognizing now; never any reality to the ego; seeing that assumptions are just a joke; investigation into what is true; check out what is true if you do not believe in thought; it will never get any better than right now; the end of hoping that one day it will be better; this is it, there is no hope at all and there is no time; life plays a game, thoughts of the future are entertaining; this is all there is; images appearing in the presence who we really are.
Recognizing – not just believing – that there is no separate identity; challenging everything you have ever believed in; what do we actually know beyond the concepts? Question the assumption of being a separate individual; what do you know to be true right now? Having no quality at all; Unmani’s story; practical thoughts; fear is a physical sensation only.
This Satsang with Unmani took place at the 17. Rainbow Spirit Festival 2010 in November 2010 in Berlin.
Meeting in not knowing, the opposite of what mind wants; your true nature – not to know; all what is, is absolutely complete; mind will never be satisfied – that is its nature; the only relaxing to recognize, that this is the nature of the mind; mind imagines that there is somebody who lives a life; the idea that all experience is happening to “me” is the idea of mind; we take mind very serious; the perfect state that you imagine, which always is in the future; the perfect state is always here; mind can never understand this; it all simply happens, each perception, without story, which mind creates; start trusting in what is beyond mind.
There is nobody living a life; we do not know how to live in that way; without believing anything, what thought proposes, you really do not know anything; awaken from the dream of thought; the idea of a perfect experience; who is desiring? Who wants to be awakened? The “I” is just a concept, does not have reality; mental concepts and questioning the assumptions; it is not about understanding anything; not being limited to being “me” who lives in my body; thought cannot get out of this; we are so used to believe in mind.
Experiences of contraction and expansion come and go like waves in the ocean; that is the nature of live; what you really are perceives this all at any moment; the idea of thought, that one should always be happy; the idea, that happy experiences are important for me; any experience, no matter which, is meaningless; mind creates the illusion of an identity; mind must not stop thinking; when you know that in reality there is no identity, them mind can talk about everything; perceive all that happens – that is what you are; loose everything and look what cannot be lost.
Fear and the story about fear; no limits, no identity, absolute vulnerability; mind thinks there is something wrong; but it is reality; you are this reality already, even if mind does not want it.
In this interview Unmani is answering questions asked by Devasetu in August 2010 in Cologne. Thanks to Sitara for the translation.
No satsang teacher; no knowledge of anything; I comprises all experiences, the end of chasing particular experiences; the whole spectrum of experiences is what was ever looked for; thought separates; who I really am does not care and is always in peace; thought is useless to understand what I really am; all is in the hand of life, existence, consciousness; it does not matter which word we use; thought cannot know how it works; the beauty and the mystery cannot be captured by thought; Unmani means not knowing; never discovered anything spiritual; always known not to be separate from life; search for a separate identity; could not find an I; the believe something is wrong; could not find the perfect I; no end of the search to be expected; interpretation of Osho’s word that one should be spiritual; letter to Dolano in suicidal situations; readiness to die; a terrible but precious month with Dolano; no need to have a separate identity; no need to know; feeling other human beings as not separate; often surprised that humans insist in being separate; there is only one energy and thought believes there are separate humans; joint pointing to what we are.
Who we are is already in order; the believe to have to look for something is the problem; relaxing into what is known beyond thought already; life wants to open and relax; in the face of not knowing the problems disappear and relaxation comes; an absolute mystery; not linked to any tradition; each person she meets is her master; no pupils more friends; retreats with dialogs and lots of fun; retreats are intensive and participants experience more depth in exploring the nature of life; no methods, uncovering of misunderstandings and old believes on what humans believe to be; silence and laughing; retreats are not about experiencing peace but about recognizing who you are; like an awakening from a dream; explore together what cannot be touched by uncomfortable feelings; experience together that life itself cannot be touched by uncomfortable feelings; no rules in the retreats; much laughing towards the end; dissolving intellectual limitations; each person is unique; the mystery is that we do not know and that we do not have to know why things are the way they are; emptiness is what I am, this has no quality; the background of all things,
Life itself as only identity that exists; animals seem to remind us who simple life is; thought produces complications; suffering is not real; there is no one who is suffering; pain happens without reason and without meaning, suffering seems to strengthen when people believe that they are the ones who suffer; in recognizing that there is no separate identity, the belief that it is my suffering is seen as joke; mind wants to know but can never know; the imagination that calamities can happen without reason is depressing for mind; but life comprises all that happens; “Who am I?” should be asked once only; the question points to that there is no answer to it; when this is seen thought can relax; it is then better to forget this question; mind is a useful tool with unlimited capabilities; mostly thought is considered as the master; thought is a tool but does not have any control and there is no reference point; no need to stop or control thought; recognize that thought cannot touch what I am; see that mind is not mind; there is only this thought now, only one thought that arises now; the dream consists of most people believing that the thoughts must be true; the not questioned assumption consists of believing that we are someone separate, someone who suffers; investigating such assumptions during the retreat; what I really am does not require and effort and does not have any problems; problems arise with the believe to be separate from life; in the effort to reconnect with life we oversee what already is; no effort required.
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Unmani offers spontaneous and direct non-dual teachings, mainly in the UK but also Europe, USA and Australia. She holds regular Satsang gatherings (which she calls Meeting in Not-Knowing) as well as retreats. She has a very unique style of intimate dialogues in these gatherings.
Meeting in Not-Knowing with Unmani is a chance to ask questions, have a dialogue in clarity or sit in silence. Life itself is not only expressed in words.
More information about Unmani on www.not-knowing.com
Last Updated: September, 29th 2013